Read: Full transcript of Donald Trump’s call to Brad Raffensperger
The infamous conversation has become a focal point of Fulton DA Fani Willis’ investigation into alleged election interference in Georgia
ATLANTA, Ga. (Atlanta News First) - On Jan. 2, 2021, then-President Donald Trump and his White House placed a call to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger over the outcome of the state’s 2020 presidential election results.
That call has become a crucial part of Fulton County DA Fani Willis’ investigation into whether Trump or any of his associates interfered with the election’s outcome, an election that saw Joe Biden become the first Democrat to win Georgia since Bill Clinton in 1992.
Here is a transcript of that phone call, provided by the Associated Press:
Call Operator: I’m just here to conference you in with Secretary Raffensperger and Mr. Germany. We’re going to conference you through to POTUS shortly.
Jordan Fuchs: Great. Thank you so much.
Call Operator: OK, Jordan, do you mind? How do you pronounce your last name, Jordan? I’m sorry.
Jordan Fuchs: Yeah, I get that a lot. It’s OK. It’s Fuchs.
Call Operator: Fuchs. Ok. Ok. Thank you. I’ll go ahead and announce you to Secretary Raffensperger and Mr. Germany. Thank you so much ma’am. Ms. Fuchs you are now connected to the other gentlemen.
Jordan Fuchs: All right, great.
Brad Raffensperger: Hi, Jordan. This is Brad.
Jordan Fuchs: Hi, Secretary.
Ryan Germany: Hi Jordan, Brad.
Brad Raffensperger: Ryan’s on too.
Ryan Germany: Hi, Jordan.
Fuchs: Mark Meadows told me that their lawyers are going to be on the call too.
Brad Raffensperger: Okay. Fair enough.
Call Operator: Everyone, I’m going to conference you through to POTUS momentarily. One moment.
Mark Meadows: ...Waiting on them.
Call Operator: The conference is now connected.
President Trump: Hello?
Mark Meadows: Mr. Raffensperger, are you on the line?
Ryan Germany: He was here a second ago. This is Ryan Germany.
Mark Meadows: Mr. Germany, Ms. Fuchs
Brad Raffensperger: And Brad Raffensperger here.
Mark Meadows: OK, all right. So, Mr. President, everybody is on the line. And just so this is Mark Meadows, the chief of staff. Just so we all are aware, on the line is secretary of state and two other individuals, Jordan and Mr. Germany. With him, you also have the attorneys that represent the president, Kurt and Alex and Cleta Mitchell, who is not the attorney of record, but has been Trump involved. Myself and then the president. Mr. President, now I’ll turn it over to you.
President Donald Trump: OK, thank you very much. Hello, Brad and Ryan and everybody. We appreciate the time and the call. So we’ve spent a lot of time on this. And if we could just go over some of the numbers, I think it’s pretty clear that we won. We won very substantially, Georgia. You even see it by rally side, frankly, we’d be getting 25-- 30,000 people a rally and the competition would get less than 100 people. And it never made sense.
But we have a number of things. We have at least 2 or 3 anywhere from 250 to 300,000 ballots were dropped mysteriously into the rolls. Much of that had to do with Fulton County, which hasn’t been checked. We think that if you check the signatures, a real check of the signatures going back in Fulton County, you’ll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures of people with that who have been forged. And we are quite sure that’s going to happen. Another another tremendous number. We’re going to have an accurate number over the next two days with certified accountants, but an accurate number will be given.
But it’s in the 505 of thousands and that’s people that went to vote and they were told they can’t vote because they’ve already been voted for. And it’s a very sad thing. They walked out complaining, but the number is large. We’ll have it for you. But it’s much more than the number of 11,779. The current margin is only 11,779. Brad, I think I think you agree with that. Right. That’s that’s something I think everyone at least that’s a number that everyone agrees on.
But that’s the difference in the votes. But we’ve had hundreds of thousands of ballots that we’re we’re we’re able to actually we’ll get you a pretty accurate number. You don’t need much of a number because the number that in theory, I lost by the margin would be 11,779. But you also have substantial numbers of people, thousands and thousands, who went to the voting place on November 3rd. We’re told they couldn’t vote. We’re told they couldn’t vote because a ballot had been put in on their name. And, you know, that’s very, very, very, very sad.
We had I believe it’s about 4,502 voters who voted but who weren’t on the voter registration list. So it’s 5,000 -- 4,502 -- who voted, but they were not on the voter registration rolls, which they had to be. You had 18,325 vacant address voters. They had no -- the address was vacant and they’re not allowed to be counted. That’s 18,325. Smaller number, you had 904 who only voted where they had just the PD. a post office box number and they had a post office box number and that’s not allowed. We had at least 18,000, that’s on tape. We had them counted very painstakingly, 18,000 voters having to do with the .That’s she’s a vote scammer, a professional vote scammer and hustler. that is that was the tape that’s been shown all over the world that makes everybody look bad. You, me and everybody else where they got -- number one they said they said very clearly.
And it’s been reported that the said there was a major water main break. Everybody fled the area and then they came back. her daughter and a few people. There was no Republican poll watchers, actually. There were no Democrat poll watchers. I guess they were them, but there were no Democrats either.
And there was no law enforcement late in the morning. They went early in the morning. They went to the table with the black robe, the black shield, and they pulled out the votes. Those votes were put there are a number of hours before, the table was put there. I think it was -- Brad, you would know -- it was probably eight hours or seven hours before. And then it was stuffed with votes. They weren’t in an official voter box. They were in what looked to be suitcases or trunks, suitcases, but they weren’t in voter boxes. The minimum number it could be because we watched it, and they watched it certified in slow motion, instant replay, if you can believe it, but had slow motion and it was magnified many times over.
And the minimum it was was eighteen thousand ballots, all for Biden. You had out of state voters, they voted in Georgia, but they were from out of state, of 4,925. You had absentee ballots sent to vacant. They were absentee ballots sent to vacant addresses. They had nothing on them about addresses. That’s 2,326.
And you had drop boxes, which is very bad. You had dropbox boxes that were picked up. We have photographs and we have affidavits from many people. I don’t know if you saw the hearings, but, you have dropboxes where the box was picked up and not delivered for three days.
So all sorts of things could have happened to that box, including, you know, putting in the votes that you wanted. So there are many infractions. And the bottom line is many, many times the 11,779 margin that they said we lost by, we had vast — I mean, the state is in turmoil over this.
And I know you would like to get to the bottom of it, although I saw you on television today and you said that you found nothing wrong. I mean, you know, and I didn’t lose the state for people that have been saying that it was the highest vote ever. There was no way a lot of the political people said that there’s no way they beat me and they beat me. They beat me in the polls. You know, every single state.
We won every state, we won every statehouse in the country. We held the Senate, which is shocking to people, although we’ll see what happens tomorrow or in a few days. And we won the house, but we won every single statehouse and we won Congress, which was supposed to lose 15 seats. And they gained, I think, sixteen or seventeen or something. I think there’s now a difference of five that was supposed to be a difference, substantially more.
But politicians in every state, but politicians in Georgia have given affidavits and are going to that, that there was no way they beat me in the in the election, that the people came out — matter of fact they were expecting to lose. And then they ended up winning by a lot because of the coattails. And they said there’s no way that they’ve done many polls prior to the election. There was no way that they won. Ballots were dropped in massive numbers.
And we’re trying to get to those numbers and we will have them. They’ll take a period of time certified. But but but they’re massive numbers and far greater than the eleven thousand seven hundred and seventy nine. The other thing, dead people. So dead people voted. And I think the number is in the — close to 5,000 people. And they went to obituaries. They went to all sorts of methods to come up with an accurate number.
And a minimum is close to about 5,000 voters. The bottom line is when you add it all up and then you start adding, you know, 300,000 fake ballots. Then the other thing they said is in Fulton County and other areas — and this may or may not be true — this just came up this morning, that they are burning their ballots, that they are shredding, shredding ballots and removing equipment. They’re changing the equipment on the on the Dominion machines. And, you know, that’s not illegal. And they supposedly shredded I think they said 300 pounds — 3,000 pounds of ballots. And that just came to us as a report today. And, you know, it’s a very sad situation.
But Brad if you took the minimum numbers where many, many times above the 11,779 and many Trump of those numbers are certified, or they will be certified, but they are certified, those are numbers that are there that exist and that that beat the margin, the margin of loss. They beat it, I mean by a lot.
And people should be happy to have an accurate count instead of an election where there’s turmoil. I mean, there’s turmoil in Georgia and other places. You’re not the only one. I mean, we have other states that I believe will be flipping to us very shortly. But this is this is something that’s, you know, as an example, I think in Detroit. And I think there’s a section, a good section of your state, actually, which we’re not sure. So we’re not going to report it yet.
But in Detroit, we had I think it was 139% of the people voted. That’s not too good. In Pennsylvania, they had well over 200,000 more votes than they had people voting. And that was that doesn’t play too well. And the legislature there is, which is Republican, is extremely activist and angry.
But I mean, there were other things also that were almost as bad as that. But but they had, as an example in Michigan, a tremendous number of dead people that voted. I think it was, I think, Mark, it was 18,000, some unbelievably high number, much higher than yours. You were in the 4 to 5,000 category. And that was checked out laboriously by going through versus by going through the obituary columns in the newspapers.
So I guess with all of it being said, Brad the bottom line and provisional ballots again, you know, you’ll have to tell me about the provisional ballots, but we have a lot of people that were complaining that they weren’t able to vote because they were already voted for. These are great people. And, you know, they were shell shocked.
I don’t know if you call that provisional ballots in some states. We had a lot of provisional ballot situations where people were given a provisional ballot because when they walked in on November 3rd, they were already voting, voted for. So that’s it. I mean, we have many, many times the number of votes necessary to win this state. And we won the state and we won it very substantially and easily. And we’re getting — we have much of this is a very you know, they’re certified, far more certified than we need. But we’re getting additional numbers certified too and we’re getting pictures of dropboxes being delivered and delivered late and delivered three days later in some cases. Plus, we have many affidavits to that effect.
Mark Meadows: So, Mr. President, if I if I might be able to jump in and I’ll give Brad a chance. Mr. Secretary, I want to obviously, there is there are allegations where we believe that not every vote or fair vote and legal vote was was counted. And that’s at odds with the representation from the secretary of state’s office. What I’m hopeful for is there are some way that we can we can find some kind of agreement to to to look at this a little bit more fully. As you know, the president mentioned Fulton County, but in some of these areas where there seems to be a difference of where the facts seem to lead. And so, Mr. Secretary, I was hopeful that, you know, in a spirit of cooperation and compromise is there there’s something that we can at least have a discussion to look at some of these allegations to find a path forward, that’s less litigious.
Brad Raffensperger: Well, I’ve listened to what the president has just said. President Trump, we’ve had several lawsuits and we’ve had to respond in court to the lawsuits and the contentions of. We don’t agree that you have one. We don’t — I didn’t agree about the 200,000 number that you mentioned. I’ll go through that point by point. What we have done is we gave our state Senate about one and a half hours of our time going through the election issue by issue. And then on the state House Government Affairs Committee, we gave them about two and a half hours of our time going back point by point on all the issues of contention. And then just a few days ago, we met with our U.S. congressmen, Republican congressmen, and we gave them about two hours of our time talking about this past election. Going back primarily what you’re — what you’ve talked about, you’re focused on primarily, I believe is the absentee ballot process. I don’t believe that you’re really questioning the Dominion machines because we did a hand retally, a 100% retally of all the ballots and compared that to what the machine said. It came up with virtually the same results. Then we did the recount. We’ve got virtually the same results. So I guess we could probably take that off the table. I don’t think there’s an issue about that.
President Donald Trump: Brad, not that there’s not an issue, but because we have a big issue with Dominion in other states and perhaps in yours. But we have we haven’t felt we needed to go there. And just to, you know, maybe put a little different spin on what Mark is saying. Mark Meadows. Yeah, we’d like to go further, but we don’t really need to. We have all the votes we need. You know, we won the states. If you took — these are the most minimal numbers. The numbers that I gave you. Those are numbers that are certified your absentee ballots sent to vacant addresses your you’re out of state voters 4,925. You know, when you add them up, it’s many more times, many times the 11,779 number.
So we could go through. We have not gone through your Dominion, so we can’t give them blessing. I mean, in other states we think we found tremendous corruption with Dominion machines, but we’ll have to see. But but we we only lost the state by that number. Eleven thousand votes and 779. So with that being said, with just what we have. And, you know, with just what we have, we’re giving you minimum minimum numbers, we’re doing the most conservative numbers possible. We’re many times, many, many times above the the margin. And so we don’t really have to, Mark? I don’t think we have to go through each.
Mark Meadows: Right, Right.
President Donald Trump: Because what’s the difference between winning the election by two votes and winning it by half a million votes? I think I probably did win it by half a million. I mean, you know, one of the things that happened, Brad, is we have other people coming in now from Alabama and from South Carolina and from other states, and they’re saying it’s impossible for you to have lost Georgia. We won.
You know, in Alabama, we set a record, got the highest vote ever. In Georgia, we set a record with a massive amount of votes. And they say it’s not possible to have lost Georgia. And I could tell you by our rallies, I could tell you by the rally I’m having on Monday night, the place they already have lines of people standing out front waiting. It’s just not possible to have lost Georgia. It’s not possible. When I heard it was close, I said there’s no way. But they dropped a lot of votes in there late at night, you know that Brad. And that’s what we are working on very, very stringently.
But regardless of those votes, with all of it being said, we lost by essentially 11,000 votes. And we have many more votes already calculated and certified too. So I just don’t know. You know, Mark, I don’t know what’s the purpose. I won’t give Dominion a pass because we found too many bad things. But we don’t need Dominion or anything else. We have we have we have won this election in Georgia based on all of this. And there’s nothing wrong with with saying that Brad.
You know, I mean, having having a correct — the people of Georgia are angry and these numbers are going to be repeated on Monday night along with others that we’re going to have by that time, which are much more substantial even, and the people of Georgia are angry, the people of the country are angry. And there’s nothing wrong with saying that, you know, that you’ve recalculated because the 2,236 and absentee ballots, I mean, they’re all exact numbers that were were done by accounting firms, law firms, etc. And even ifyou cut them in half, cut them in half and cut them in half again, it’s more votes than we need.
Brad Raffensperger: Well, Mr. President, the challenge that you have is the data you have is wrong. We talked to the congressmen and they were surprised. But they -- I guess, there’s a person named Mr. Brainard that came to these meetings and presented data and he said that there was dead people. I believe it was upward of 5,000. The actual numbers were two. Two. Two people that were dead that voted. And so that’s wrong. That was two.
President Donald Trump: Well Cleta, how do you respond to that, I mean, you tell me.
Cleta Mitchell: What I will say Mr. Secretary, one of the things that we have requested, and we did -- what we said was if you look at, if you read our petition, it said that we took the name and birth years and we had certain information available to us. We have asked from your office for records that only you have. And so we said there’s a universe of people who have the same name and same birth year and died. But we don’t have the records that you have, and one of the things that we have been suggesting formally and informally for weeks now is to try, is for you to make available to us the records that would be necessary to confirm [President Trump cuts in, talking over Cleta Mitchell, unintelligible]
President Donald Trump: But Cleta even before you do that, Cleta even before you do that and not even including it, that’s why I hardly even included that number, although in one state we have a tremendous amount of dead people. So I don’t Know, I’m sure we do in Georgia, too. I’m sure we do in Georgia, too.
But is that we’re so far ahead. We’re so far ahead of these numbers. Even the phony ballots of of-- known scammer, you know, the Internet, you know what was trending on the Internet? Where’s Because they thought she’d be in jail. Where’s-? It’s it’s crazy. It’s crazy. That was -- the minimum number is 18,000 for I but they think it’s probably about 56,000. But the minimum number is 18,000 on the night where she ran back in there when everybody was gone and stuffed, she stuffed the ballot boxes.
Let’s face it, Brad. I mean, they did it in slow motion replay, magnified. Right. She stuffed the ballot boxes. They were stuffed like nobody’s ever seen them stuffed before. So there’s a term for when it’s a machine instead of a ballot box. But she stopped the machine. She stopped the ballot. Each each ballot went three times. They were showing. Here’s ballot number one here it is a second time, third time, next ballot.
I mean, look Brad, this we have a new tape that we’re going to release. It’s devastating. And by the way, that one event, that one event is much more than the 11,000 votes that we’re talking about. It’s, you know, that one event was a disaster. It’s just, you know, but it was it was something that it can’t be disputed. And again, we have a version that you haven’t seen, but it’s it’s it’s magnified. It’s magnified. And you can see everything. And she put for some reason, they put it in three times, each ballot. And I don’t know why, but you know I don’t know why three times. Why not five times. Right. But yeah, go ahead.
Brad Raffensperger: You’re talking about the State Farm video. And I think it’s extremely unfortunate that Rudy Giuliani or his people, they sliced and diced that video and took it out of context. So the next day we brought in WSB-TV and we let them show, see the full run of tape and what you’ll see, the events that transpired are nowhere near what was was projected by
President Donald Trump: But where were the poll watchers, Brad? There were no poll watchers there. There were no Democrats or Republicans. There was no security there. It was late in the evening or late in the early in the morning, and there was nobody else in the room.
Where were the poll watchers and why did they say a water main broke, which they did and which is reported in the newspapers? They said they left. They ran out because of a water main break and there was no water main. There was nothing. There was no break. There was no water main break. But if you if you take out everything, where were the Republican poll watchers?
Even where were the Democrat poll watchers? Because there were none. And then you say, well, they left their station. You know, if you look at the tape and this was this was reviewed by professional police and detectives and other people. When they left in a rush, everybody left in a rush because of the water main, but everybody left in a rush. These people left their station when they came back, they didn’t go to their station.
They went to the apron wrapped around the table, under which were thousands and thousands of ballots in a box that was not an official or a sealed box. And then they took those and they went back to a different station. So if they would have come back, they would have walked to their station and they would have continued to work. But they couldn’t do even that, that’s illegal, because they had no Republican poll watchers.
And remember, her reputation is is is Devon. She’s known all over the Internet, Brad. She’s known all over. I’m telling you, where’s where’s-was one of the hot items, where’s They knew her. Where’s So Brad, you know this, there can be no justification for that. An I you know, I give everybody the benefit of the doubt. But that was. And Brad, why did they put the votes in three times, you know? They put them in three times.
Brad Raffensperger: Mr. President they did not put that -- we did an audit of that. It was proved conclusively that they were not scanned three times.
President Donald Trump: Well, where was everybody else at that late time in the morning? Where was everybody? Where were the Republicans? Where was the security guards? Where were the people who were there ust a little while before when everyone ran out of the room? How come how come we had no security there? Why did they run to the bottom of the table? Why did they run there and just open the skirt and rip out the rip out the votes? I mean, Brad. And they were sitting there. So I think for five hours or something like that, the votes. But they just all happened to run back and go, you know, Brad.
Brad Raffensperger: Mr. President, we’ll send you the link from WSB that does -- [President Trump and Cleta Mitchell cut in, talking over Brad Raffensperger, unintelligible.]
President Donald Trump: I don’t care about a link. I don’t need it. I have a much better link.
Cleta Mitchell: I, I will tell you, I’ve seen the tape, the full tape. So has Alex. We’ve watched it. And what we saw and what we’ve confirmed in the timing is that they made everybody leave. We have sworn affidavit saying that, and then they continued, then they began to process ballots and our estimate is that there were roughly 18,000 ballots. We don’t know that, if you know that -- P
resident Donald Trump: It was 18,000 ballots, but they used each one three times --
Cleta Mitchell: Well, I don’t know about that, but I do know --
President Donald Trump: But I do because we haven’t, we had ours magnified out. [President Trump and Cleta Mitchell talking over eachother, unintelligible.]
Cleta Mitchell: I watched the entire tape —
President Donald Trump: But nobody can make a case for that, Brad. Nobody. I mean, look, that’s you’d have to be a child to think anything other than that, just a child. I mean — [President Trump and Cleta Mitchell talking over eachother, unintelligible.]
Cleta Mitchell: How many ballots? How many ballots, Mr. Secretary — [talking over eachother, unintelligible.]
Brad Raffensperger: We had GBI certainly investigate that.
Ryan Germany: We had our, this is Ryan Germany, we had our law enforcement officers talk to everyone who was who was there after that event came to light. GBI was with them as well as FBI agents.
President Donald Trump: Well, there’s no way they could. Then they’re incompetent. They’re either dishonest or incompetent.
Cleta Mitchell [talking over]: Well what did they find?
President Donald Trump: There’s only two answers, dishonesty or incompetence. There’s just no way. Look, there’s no way. And on the other side, too, there’s no way. I mean, there’s no way that these things could have been you know, you have all these different people that that voted, but they don’t live in Georgia anymore. What was that number play? That was a pretty good number too.
Cleta Mitchell: Well the number who had registered out of state after they moved from Georgia. And so they they had a date when they moved from Georgia, they registered to vote out of state. And then it’s like 4,500. But I don’t have that right in front of me. President Donald Trump: But then they came back in and they voted
Cleta Mitchell: And voted, yeah
President Donald Trump: That was a large number though. It was in the 20s. And, you know, the point is —
Ryan Germany: We keep going through each of those as well, and those numbers that we got, that Mitchell was just saying, they’re not accurate. Everyone we’ve been through are people that lived in Georgia, moved to a different state, but then moved back to Georgia legitimately. And in many cases — [President Trump talking over Ryan Germany, unintelligible.]
President Donald Trump: How many people do that? They moved out and then they said, to hell with it, I’ll move back. And, you know, it doesn’t sound like a very normal. You mean they moved out and what they missed it so much that they wanted to move back in? And it’s like it’s. It’s crazy.
Ryan Germany: Well, and then this is they moved back in years ago. This was not like something just before the election. So there’s something about that data. It’s just not accurate.
President Donald Trump: Well, I don’t know. I mean, all I know is that it is it is certified and they moved out of Georgia. And they voted. It didn’t say they moved back in Cleta, did it?
Cleta Mitchell: No, but I mean, we we’re looking at the voter registry. Again, if you have additional records, we’ve been asking for that. But you haven’t shared any of that with us. You just keep saying -- [President Trump talking over Cleta Mitchell, unintelligible.]
President Donald Trump: But Cleta, a lot of it you don’t need to be shared. I mean, to be honest, they should share it, they should share it because you want to get to an honest election. I won this election by hundreds of thousands of votes. There’s no way I lost Georgia. There’s no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes. I’m just going by small numbers when you add them up there many times the 11,000. But but I won that state by hundreds of thousands of votes. Now, do you think it’s possible that they shredded ballots in Fulton County? Because that’s what the rumor is and also that Dominion took out machines, that Dominion is really moving fast to get rid of their machinery. Do you know anything about that? Because that’s illegal
Ryan Germany: This is Ryan Germany. No Dominion has not moved any machinery out of Fulton County. We’re having an election on Tuesday.
President Donald Trump: But have they have they moved the inner parts of the machines and replaced them with other parts? Ryan Germany: No
President Donald Trump: You’re sure, Ryan?
Ryan Germany: I’m sure. I’m sure, Mr. President,
President Donald Trump: What about what about the what about the ballots, the shredding of the ballots? Have they been shredding ballots?
Ryan Germany: The only investigation that we have into that they have not been shredding any ballots, there was an issue in Cobb County where they were doing normal, you know, office shredding, getting rid of old stuff, and we investigated that. But this is stuff from, you know, past elections.
President Donald Trump: I don’t know. It’s very -- it doesn’t pass the smell test because we hear they’re shredding thousands and thousands of ballots. And now what they’re saying, oh, we’re just cleaning up the office. You know, I don’t think that plays.
Brad Raffensperger: Mr. President, the problem you have with social media, they -- people can say anything
President Donald Trump: No. Ah, no this isn’t social media. This is Trump media. It’s not social media. It’s it’s really not. It’s not social media. I don’t care about social. I couldn’t care less. Social media is big tech. Big tech is on your side. You know, I don’t even know why you have a side because you should want to have an accurate election. And you’re a Republican.
Brad Raffensperger: We believe that we do have an accurate election.
President Donald Trump: No I -- No you don’t. No. No you don’t. You don’t have. You don’t have. Not even close. You’re off by hundreds of thousands of votes. And just on the small numbers, you’re off on these numbers. And these numbers can’t be just. Well, why won’t.
OK, so you send us into Cobb County for a signature verification, right? You send this into Cobb County, which we didn’t want to go into. And you said it would be open to the public and we could have our so we had our experts there. They weren’t allowed into the room, but we didn’t want Cobb County. We wanted Fulton County. And you wouldn’t give it to us. Now, why aren’t we signature? And why can’t it be open to the public? And why can’t we have professionals do it instead of rank amateurs that will never find anything and don’t want to find anything they don’t want to find, you know they don’t want to find anything. Someday you’ll tell me the reason why, because I don’t understand your reasoning, but someday you’ll tell me the reason why. But why don’t you want Cobb County?
Ryan Germany: Mr. President, we chose Cobb County, we chose Cobb County ...
President Donald Trump: Why don’t you want to, what?
Ryan Germany: Sorry, go ahead.
President Donald Trump: You know, why did why? OK, so why did you do Cobb County? We didn’t even request we requested Fulton County, not Cobb County.
Cleta Mitchell: That’s right, we do have ... (unintelligible)
Ryan Germany: We chose Cobb County (crosstalk)
President Donald Trump: Go ahead, please. Go ahead.
Ryan Germany: We chose Cobb County because that was the only county where there’s been any evidence submitted that a signature verification was not properly done. (Unintelligible)
President Donald Trump: No, but I told you. But we’re not we’re not saying that, we are
Cleta Mitchell: Yeah, we did say that. We did say that.
President Donald Trump: We’re the the aggrieved party. Fulton County. Look, Stacey, in my opinion, Stacey is as dishonest as they come. She has outplayed you at every heart at everything. She got you to sign a totally unconstitutional agreement, which which is a disastrous agreement. You can’t check signatures. You can’t do it. I can’t imagine you’re allowed to do harvesting, I guess, in that agreement, that agreement is a disaster for this country. And but she got you somehow to sign that thing. And she is a she’s outsmarted you at every step. And I hate to imagine what’s going to happen on Monday or Tuesday, but it’s very scary to people, you know, where the ballots flow in out of nowhere. It’s very scary to people. That consent decree is a disaster. It’s a disaster. A very good lawyer who examined it said they’ve never seen anything like it.
Brad Raffensperger: Harvesting is still illegal in the state of Georgia. And that settlement agreement did not change that one iota.
President Donald Trump: That was not a settlement agreement. It’s a consent decree. It even says consent decree on it, doesn’t it? It uses the term consent decree. It doesn’t say settlement agreement, it’s a consent decree, it’s a disaster.
Brad Raffensperger: It’s a settlement agreement.
President Donald Trump: What’s written on top of it?
Brad Raffensperger: Ryan?
Ryan Germany: I don’t I don’t have it in front of me, but it was not entered by the court, it’s not a court order.
President Donald Trump: No, it’s closed. But Ryan, it’s it’s called a consent decree. Is that right, on the paper? Is that right?
Ryan Germany: I don’t I don’t I don’t believe so. I don’t I don’t have it in front of me.
President Donald Trump: OK, whatever. It’s a disaster. It’s a disaster. Look, here’s the problem. We can go through signature verification and we’ll find hundreds of thousands of signatures if you let us do it. And the only way you can do it, as you know, is to go to the past. But you didn’t do that in Cobb County. You just looked at one page compared to another. The only way you can do a signature verification is go from the one that signed it in on November whatever, recently, and compare it to two years ago, four years ago, six years ago, you know, or even one. And you’ll find that you have many different signatures.
But in, in Fulton, where they dumped ballots, you will find that you have many that aren’t even signed, and you have many that are forgeries. OK? You know that. You know that. You have no doubt about that. And you will find you will be at eleven thousand seven seventy nine within minutes, because Fulton County is totally corrupt and so is she, totally corrupt. And they’re going around playing you and laughing at you behind your back, Brad, whether you know it or not, they’re laughing at you and you’ve taken a state that’s a Republican state and you’ve made it almost impossible for a Republican to win because of cheating, because they cheated like nobody’s ever cheated before.
And I don’t care how long it takes me, you know, we’re going to have other states coming forward, pretty good. But I won’t. This is never given. This is we have, some incredible talent said they’ve never seen anything. Now the problem is they need more time for the big numbers, but they are very substantial numbers. But and I think you’re going to find that they by the way, a little information, I think you’re going to find that they are shredding ballots because they have to get rid of the ballots, because the ballots are unsigned, the ballots are, are corrupt and they’re brand new and they don’t have seals.
There’s a whole thing where the ballots but the ballots are corrupt and you’re going to find that they are, which is totally illegal. It’s, it’s more illegal for you than it is for them, because you know what they did and you’re not reporting it. That’s just, you know, that’s a criminal, that’s a criminal offense. And, you know, you can’t let that happen. That’s, that’s a big risk to you and to Ryan. Your lawyer is that’s a big risk.
But they are (crosstalk) shredding ballots, in my opinion, based on what I’ve heard. And they are removing machinery and they’re moving it as fast as they can, both of which are criminal fines. And you can’t let it happen. And you are letting it happen. You know, I mean, I’m notifying you that you’re letting it happen, so. (Crosstalk)
All I want to do is this: I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more that we have because we won the state. And flipping the state is a great testament to our country because, you know, this is just it’s a testament that they can admit to a mistake or whatever you want to call it. If it was a mistake, I don’t know. A lot of people think it wasn’t a mistake. It was much more criminal than that. But it’s a big problem in Georgia and it’s not a problem that’s going away. I mean, you know, it’s not a problem that’s going away. And, and we’ve got to ...
Ryan Germany: Mr. President, this is Ryan. We’re looking into every one of those things that you mentioned.
President Donald Trump: OK, that’s good.
Ryan Germany: And our investigators ...
President Donald Trump: But if you find them, you got to say it, Ryan. Look ... (Crosstalk)
Ryan Germany: Let me tell you what we are seeing.
President Donald Trump: Go ahead. Good.
Ryan Germany: What we’re seeing is not at all what you’re describing. And these are investigators from our office. These are investigators from GBI and they’re looking and they’re good. And that’s not what they’re seeing. And we’ll keep, we’ll keep looking, we’ll keep looking at all of these things.
President Donald Trump: Well, you better check on the ballots because they are shredding ballots, Ryan. I’m just telling you, Ryan, they’re shredding ballots. And, uh, you should look at that very carefully because that’s still illegal. You know, you may not even believe it because it’s so bad, but, but they’re shredding ballots because they think we’re going to eventually get there because we’ll eventually get into Fulton. You know, it’s in my opinion, is my opinion, it’s never too late. So it’s a little double double subject, though. So that’s the story fellows. Look, we need only 11,000 votes. We have far more than that as it stands now. We’ll have more and more. And do you have provisional ballots at all, Brad? Provisional ballots?
Brad Raffensperger: Provisional ballots are allowed by state law.
President Donald Trump: Sure. But you have them I mean, are they counted or did you just hold them back? Because they you know, in other words, how many provisional ballots do you have in the state?
Brad Raffensperger: We’ll get you that number.
President Donald Trump: Because most of them are made out to the name Trump, because these are people that were scammed when they came in and we have thousands of people that have testified or that want to testify. When they came in, they were probably going to vote on November 3rd and they were told, I’m sorry, you’ve already been voted for. You’ve already voted. The women, men started screaming no. I proudly voted ‘til November 3rd.
They said, I’m sorry, but you’ve already been voted for and you have a ballot. And these people are beside themselves. So they went out and they filled in a provisional ballot, putting the name Trump on it. And what about that batch of military ballots that came in? And even though I won the military by a lot, it was 100% Trump, do you know, I mean a hundred percent Biden, do you know about that? A large group of ballots came in. I think it was to Fulton County, and they just happened to be 100% for Trump, even though -- for Biden, even though Trump won the military by a lot, you know, a tremendous amount. But these ballots, were 100% for Biden. And you know about that? A very substantial number came in, all for Biden. Does anybody know about it?
Cleta Mitchell: I know about it but we were never --
President Donald Trump: OK, Cleta, wait, I’m not asking you, Cleta, honestly. I’m asking, I’m asking Brad. Do you know about the military ballots that we have confirmed now. Do you know about the military ballots that came in that were 100%, I mean, 100%, for Biden? Do you know about that?
Ryan Germany: I don’t know about that. I do know that we have when when military ballots come in, it’s not just military, it’s also military and overseas citizens. The military part of that does generally go Republican. The overseas citizen part of it generally goes very Democratic. This was a mix of them.
President Donald Trump: Yeah, that’s OK. But I get I got like 7896 in the military. These ballots were all for this, this, they were, they didn’t tell me overseas, could be overseas, too, but I get votes overseas too, Ryan. You know, in all fairness, I know they came in, a large batch came in and it was, quote, 100% for Biden.
And that is criminal. You know, that’s criminal, That’s another criminal. That’s another of the many criminal events, many criminal events here. I don’t know. Look, Brad, I got to get, I have to find 12,000 votes and I have them times a lot, and therefore I won the state. That’s before we go to the next step, which is in the process of right now. You know, and I watched you this morning and you said, well, there was no criminality.
But I mean, all of this stuff is very dangerous stuff. when you talk about no criminality, I think it’s very dangerous for you to say that. I just, I just don’t know why you don’t want to have the votes counted as they are. Like even you, when you went and did that check. And I was surprised because I (unintelligible) the check and we found a few thousand votes that were against me. I was actually surprised because the way that check was done, all you’re doing is rercertifying existing votes. And, you know, you were given votes and you just counted them up and you still found 3,000 that were bad. That was sort of surprising. That came down three or five. I don’t know. It is still a lot of votes.
But, but you have to go back to check from past years with respect to signatures. And if you check with Fulton County, you’ll have hundreds of thousands because they dumped ballots into Fulton County and the other county next to it. So what? So what are we going to do here, folks? I only need 11,000 votes. Fellas, I need 11,000 votes. Give me a break. You know, we have that in spades already, or we can keep it going.
But that’s not fair to the voters of Georgia because they’re going to see what happened. And they’re going to see what ha ened I mean, I’ll, I’ll take on anybody you want with regard to and her lovely daughter, a ver lovely young lady, I sure. But I will take, I will take on anybody you want. And the minimum, there were 18,000 ballots, but they used them three times. So that’s, you know, a lot of votes. And that one event, and they were all to Biden, by the wa that’s the other thing we didn’t say. You know, the one thing I forgot to say, which was the most important, do you know that every single ballot she did went to Biden. You know that, right?
Do you know that, by the way, Brad? Every single ballot that she did through the machine at early, early in the morning went to Biden. Did you know that, Ryan?
Ryan Germany: That’s not accurate, Mr. President.
President Donald Trump: Huh? What is accurate?
Ryan Germany: The numbers that we are showing are accurate.
President Donald Trump: No, about about early in the morning, Ryan. Where the woman too you now, where the whole gang took this stuff out of the from under the table, right? Do you know, do you know who those ballots, do you know who they were made out to? Do you know who they were voting for?
Ryan Germany: No, not specifically. President Donald Trump: Did you ever check?
Ryan Germany: We did what I described to you earlier.
President Donald Trump: No, no, no. Did you ever check the ballots that were scammed by a known political operative balloteer? Did you ever ec those votes were for?
Ryan Germany: We’ve looked into that situation that you described.
President Donald Trump: No, they were 100% for Biden. One hundred percent, there wasn’t a Trump vote in the whole group. Why don’t you want to find this, Ryan? What’s wrong with you? I heard your lawyer is very difficult, actually, but I’m sure you’re a good lawyer. Have a nice last name. But, but I’m just curious. Why wouldn’t, why, why do you keep fighting this thing? It’s just, doesn’t make sense. We’re way over the 17,779 right? We’re way over that number.
And just, if you took just “we’re over that number by five, five or six times then you multiply that times three. And every single ballot went to Biden. And, and you didn’t know that, but now you know it. So tell me, Brad, what are we going to do? We won the election and it’s not fair to take it away from us like this. And it’s going to be very costly in many ways. And I think you have to say that you’re going to reexamine it and you can reexamine it. But but reexamine it with people that want to find answers, not people that don’t want to find answers. For instance, I’m hearing Ryan, and he’s probably I’m sure a great lawyer and everything, but he’s making statements about those ballots that he doesn’t know, but he’s making it was such. He, he did make them with surety, but now I think he’s less sure because the answer is they all went to Biden and that alone wins us the election by a lot. You know, so.
Brad Raffensperger: Mr. [unintelligible] you have people that submit information as we have our people that submit information. And then it comes before the court. And the court then has to make a determination. We have to stand by our numbers. We believe our numbers are right.
President Donald Trump: why do you say that? I don’t know. I mean, sure, we can play this game with the courts, but why do you say? First of all, they don’t even assign us a judge. They don’t even assign us a judge. But why wou ey, Brad, why wouldn’t you want to check out And why wouldn’t you want to say, ‘Hey, if if in fact Presi ent Trump is right about that, then he wins the state of Georgia, just that one incident alone without going through hundreds of thousands of dropped ballots.’ You just say you stick by. I mean, I’ve been watching you for you know, you don’t care about anything.
Your numbers are right. But your numbers aren’t right. They’re really wrong, and they’re really wrong Brad. And I know this phone call’s going nowhere other than other than ultimately, you know, look, ultimately I win, 0K. Because you guys are so wrong and you’ve treated this, you’ve treated the population of Georgia so badly. You, between you and your governor, who wouldn’t have, who was down at 21, he was down 21 points, and like a schmuck, I endorsed him and got he got elected. But I will tell you, he’s a disaster and he’ll never, I can’t imagine, the people are so angry in Georgia. I can’t imagine he’s ever getting elected again. I’ll tell you that much right now. But but why wouldn’t you want to find the right answer Brad instead of keep saying that the numbers are right? Because those numbers are so wrong.
Cleta Mitchell: Mr. Secretary, Mr. President, one of the things that we have been, Alex talked about this, we’ve talked about it, and I don’t know whether the information has been conveyed to your office, but I think what the president’s saying, what we’ve been trying to do is to say, look, the court is not acting on our petition. They haven’t even assigned a judge. But the people of Georgia and the people of America have a right to know the answers. And you have data and records that we don’t have access to. And you keep telling us in making public statements that you’ve investigated this and you know nothing to see here. But we don’t know about that.
All we know is what you tell us. what I don’t understand is why wouldn’t be in everyone’s best interest to, to try to get to the bottom, compare the number, you know, if you say because to try to be able to get to the truth? And because we don’t have any way of confirming what you’re telling us. You tell us that you’ve had an investigation of the State Farm arena. I don’t have any report. I’ve never seen a report of an investigation. I don’t know what that is. I’ve been pretty involved in this and I don’t know. And that’s just one of like 25 categories. And it doesn’t even and and as I as the president said, we haven’t even gotten into the Dominion issue. That’s not part of our case. It’s not part of we we just didn’t feel as though we had any way to be able to develop.
President Donald Trump: No, we do have a way, but I don’t want to get into it because we have, we found a way in other states [unintelligible] excuse me, but we don’t need it because we’re only down 11,000 votes, so we don’t even need it. I personally think they’re corrupt as hell, but we don’t need that because all we have to do Cleta is find 11,000 plus votes. So we don’t need that. I’m not looking to to shake up the whole world. We won Georgia easily. We won it by hundreds of thousands of votes. But if you go by basic, simple numbers, we won it easily, easily. So we’re not giving Dominion a pass on the record. I will tell you that. But we just don’t you know, we don’t need Dominion because we have so many other votes that we don’t need to prove it any more than we already have.
Kurt Hilbert: Mr. President, Cleta, this is Kurt Hilbert. If I might [unintelligible] here for a moment. Ryan, I would like to suggest that just four categories that have already been mentioned by the president that have actually hard numbers of 24,149 votes that were counted illegally that in and of itself is sufficient to change the [unintelligible] or place the outcome in doubt. We would like to just sit down with your office and we can do it through purposes of compromise and so on and just like this phone call just to deal with that limited category of votes. And if you are able to establish that our numbers are not accurate, then fine. However, we believe that they are accurate. We’ve had now three to four separate experts look at these numbers. These numbers are based upon the [unintelligible].
President Donald Trump: And certified, certified accountants looked at them.
Kurt Hilbert: Correct. And this is just based on [unintelligible] data and your own secretary of state data. So that’s what we would entreat and ask you to do, to sit down with us in a compromise and settlements you know proceeding and actually go through the registered voter IDs and the registrations. And if you can convince us that that 24,149 is inaccurate, then fine. But we we tend to believe that that is you know obviously more than 11,779. That’s sufficient to change the result entirely in and of itself. So what would you say to that, Mr. Germany?
Ryan Germany: Kurt, I’m happy to, I’ll get with our lawyers and we’ll set that up. That number is not accurate, and I think we can show you for all the ones we’ve looked at why it’s not. And so if that if that would be helpful, I’m happy to get with our lawyers and set that up with you guys.
President Donald Trump: Let me ask you Kurt, Kurt you think that is an accurate number. That was based on the information given to you by the secretary of state’s department, right?
Kurt Hilbert: That, that is correct. That information is the minimum most conservative data based upon the [unintelligible] data and the secretary of state’s office data that has been made publicly available. We do not have the internal numbers from the secretary of state, yet we have asked for it six times. I sent a letter over to Mr. [unintelligible] several times requesting this information, and it’s been rebuffed every single time. So it stands to reason that if the information is not forthcoming, there’s something to hide. That’s the problem that we have.
Ryan Germany: Well, that’s not the case. There are things that you guys are entitled to get and there’s things that under law, we are not allowed to give out.
President Donald Trump: Well, you have to, under law, you’re not allowed to give faulty election results. OK, you’re not allowed to do that. And that’s what you’ve done. This is a faulty election result. And honestly, this should go very fast. You should meet tomorrow because you have a big election, election coming up and because of what you’ve done to the president, you know, the people of Georgia know that this was a scam.
And because of what you’ve done to the president, a lot of people aren’t going out to vote and a lot of Republicans are going to vote negative because they hate what you did to the president. OK. They hate him. And they’re going to vote. And you would be respected if really respected if this thing could be straightened out before the election. You have a big election coming up on Tuesday. And therefore, I think that it really is important that you meet tomorrow and work out on these numbers, because I know, Brad, that if if you think we’re right, I think you’re going to say and I’m not looking to blame anybody. I’m not, I’m just saying that that, you know, you know, under new counts and under new views of the election results, we won the election.
You know, it’s very simple. We won the election, as the governor of major states in the surrounding states said there is no way you lost Georgia. As the Georgia politicians say, there is no way you lost Georgia. Nobody, everyone knows I won it by hundreds of thousands of votes. But I’ll tell you, it’s going to have a big impact on Tuesday if you guys don’t get this thing straightened out fast.
Mark Meadows: Well, Mr. President, this is Mark. Let me let me just, it sounds like we’ve got two different sides agreeing that we can look at those, those areas. And and I assume that we can do that within the next 24 to 48 hours to go ahead and get that reconciled so that we can look at the two claims and making sure that we get the access to the secretary of state’s data to either validate or invalidate the claims that have been made. Is that correct?
Ryan Germany: No, that’s, that’s not what I said. I’m happy to you know sit down with or have our lawyers sit down with Kurt and and and and the lawyers on on that side and explain to him, ‘Hey, here’s based on what we’ve looked at so far, here’s how we know this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong.’
Mark Meadows: So what you’re saying, what you’re saying Ryan, hold on, let me make sure, so what you’re saying is you you really don’t want to give access to the data. You just want to make another case on why the lawsuit is wrong. Ryan Germany: I don’t think we I don’t think we can give access to data that’s protected by law, but we can sit down with them and say [unintelligible].
President Donald Trump: But you’re allowed to have a phony election? You’re allowed to have a phony election, right?
Ryan Germany: No sir.
President Donald Trump: What are you, what are you going to do the signature counts on when are you going to do signature verification on Fulton County, which you said you were going to do, and now all of a sudden you’re not doing it. When are you doing that?
Ryan Germany: We are doing that, we’ve announced.
Unidentified: Mr. President, to get to this issue of the personal information and privacy issue, is it possible that the secretary of state could deputize the lawyers for the president so that we could access that information, that private information, without you having any kind of violation?
President Donald Trump: Well, I don’t want to know who it is, you guys can do it very confidentially, you can sign a confidentiality agreement. That’s OK. I don’t need to know names. But we got the information. On this stuff that we’re talking about, we got all that information from the secretary of state.
Mark Meadows: Yeah. So let me let me recommend, Ryan, if you and Kurt will get together, you know, when we get off of this phone call, if you could get together and work out a plan to to address some of what we’ve we’ve got with your attorneys where we can, we can actually look at the data. For example, Mr. Secretary, I can tell you, you said there was only two dead people that would vote. I can promise you there are more than that. And that may be what your investigation shows, but I can promise you there are more than that. But at the same time, I think it’s important that we go ahead and move expeditiously to try to do this and resolve it as quickly as we possibly can. And and if that’s the good next step, hopefully we can we can finish this phone call and go ahead and agree that the two of you will get together immediately.
President Donald Trump: But why don’t my lawyers show you where you got the information. It’ll show the secretary of state and you don’t even have to look at any names. We don’t want names. We don’t care. But we got that information from you. And Stacey Abrams is laughing about, you know, she’s going around, saying these guys are dumber than a rock. What she’s done to this party is unbelievable, I tell you. And I only ran against her once, and that was with a guy named Brian Kemp. And I beat her. And if I didn’t run, Brian wouldn’t have had even a shot, either in the general or in the primary. He was dead, dead as a doornail. He never thought he had a shot at either one of them. What a schmuck I was.
But that’s the way it is. That’s the way it is. I would like you to for the attorneys on my I’d like you to perhaps meet with Ryan ideally tomorrow because I think we should come to a resolution of this before the election. Otherwise, you’re going to have, you’re going to have people just not voting. They don’t want to vote. They hate the state. They hate the governor, and they hate the secretary of state. I will tell you that right now. And the only people that like you are people that will never vote for you. You know that, Brad, right? They like you. You know, they like you. They can’t believe what they found. They want more people like you.
So, look, can you get together tomorrow? And Brad, we just want the truth. It’s simple, and and everyone’s going to look very good if the truth comes out. It’s OK. It take a little while, but let the truth come out. And the real truth is I won by 400,000 votes, at least. That’s the real truth. But we don’t need 400,000 votes. We need a less than 2,000 votes. And are you guys able to meet tomorrow, Ryan?
Ryan Germany: I’ll get with Chris, the lawyer who’s representing us in the case, and see when he can get together with Kurt.
Brad Raffensperger: Ryan will be in touch with the other attorney on this call, Mr. Meadows. Thank you President Trump for your time.
President Donald Trump: OK, thank you Brad. Thank you Ryan. Thank you. Thank you everybody. Thank you very much. Bye.
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